Today I am a bee :-)

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  1. Jerry Sullivan

    Jerry Sullivan Garden Experimenter Plants Contributor

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    Mr Cape, meet Miss Lemon Flurry

    Mr Flurry, meet Miss Toreador's Cape



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    Lemon Flurry

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    Toreador's Cape

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    Bee with brush(I only do this for the tetraploids)

    Buzz.......buzz........buzz :)

    Jerry
     
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  3. Sjoerd

    Sjoerd Mighty Oak

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    Way to go, Jerry. I had no idea that youhad an alter-life....like Superman and all those super heros.

    What a good talent to have. I hope that you will do some posting on this subject when you have some new flowers. I like things like this and am very curious how your brushing turns out.
     
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    dooley Super Garden Turtle

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    Last year I did that with my tomatoes and had a jungle out there. This year I didn't manage to do it and had very few tomatoes. I did do my eggplant this year and have had some luck with each plant having at least one. It does work. I use a q-tip though and go from flower to flower to flower playing bee.

    dooley
     
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    Jerry Sullivan Garden Experimenter Plants Contributor

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    Sjoerd, each flower is tagged with a velcro tag to monitor if a seed pod develops.
    Pictures tomorrow.

    Dooley, Each year I have about 500 seeds from daylilies, most are diploid. Few are from tetraploids. As I only have 6 tetraploids I have decided to do my own pollination in hopes of getting more seeds with larger more colorful daylilies and stronger scapes.

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    eileen Resident Taxonomist Staff Member Moderator Plants Contributor

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    I find this fascinating. I hope you do manage to get more seeds from your tetraploids Jerry. Do keep us informed of how your pollinating has gone and show us the results.
    However, I can't get the mental picture of you buzzing around your lilies dressed like a bee out of my head. :p
     
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    koszta kid Young Pine

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    Was that you buzzing me this am. But I try to learn some new every day. And Thanks for my lesson.
     
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    Cayuga Morning Strong Ash Plants Contributor

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    Very cool Jerry. Thanks for the photo demonstration. I would love to try that, but I think it will have to wait for retirement (my list grows ever longer..)

    Question for you: what is the difference between diploid and tetraploid daylilies? Are the common ones 'Happy Returns' and 'Stella D'Oro' diploids? And the the gigantic ones tetraploids?
     
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    Jerry Sullivan Garden Experimenter Plants Contributor

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    The difference between diploids and tetraploids(a polyploid) is the number of chromosomes.

    Diploid daylilies have 22 chromosomes, 11 from mom and 11 from dad

    Tetraploids have 44 chromosomes

    The majority of daylilies are diploids. Stella de Oro and Happy Returns are diploids

    Tetraploid flowers tend to be larger, the scapes(stalk) are thicker, colors are brighter.

    Tetraploids are more vigorous

    Diploids have a larger color range(more pinks), more shapes i.e. spider and doubles

    Diploids are easier to propagate so that makes tetraploids more of a challenge

    You can cross tetraploids only with other tetraploids and diploids only with other diploids.

    Have fun, experiment!! Good luck!!

    Jerry
     
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    Jerry Sullivan Garden Experimenter Plants Contributor

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    Sjoerd, These are the cross-pollination tags I mentioned.

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    Sjoerd Mighty Oak

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    Ahhh...I see.
    This is quite interesting, Jerry.
    Have you been doing this long?
    BTW--That "Toreador's Cape"is a real looker.

    Fingers crossed that seed pods develop for you.
     
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    stratsmom Flower Fanatic

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    With handsome parents like that you should have some beautiful babies!!! :-D
     
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    Sjoerd, I started a few years ago when I realized that the tetraploids were not producing as many seed pods as I thought they should. With the cross-pollination of Tetraploids, pod production has slowly increased. I guess as long as I get more seeds, whether it's bees or me, seeds are good. It takes about 3 years for me to get flowers. I might see results this year or next. Each year I see new flowers from groups I planted years ago.

    Jerry
     
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    Jerry--How intersting! Sounds like fun. Did the tetraploids occur naturally or were they bred? I tried to research this & couldn't find out. I am guessing the species are all diploids so I am wondering where the tetraploids came from. Come to think of it, I remember when newly introduced daylilies suddenly became bigger & taller. I bet they were tetrapoids. This was some years back, maybe 20?
     
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    Tetraploid daylilies were first developed in the late 1950s when diploid daylilies were altered using the chemical colchicine. The flower now had 4 sets of 11 chromosomes, hence, tetraploid.

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    So a few more years than 20...
     

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